Eastbourne Meeting 15th November 2007
Feedback from attendees after Jim’s presentation:
Ø Marram grass as opposed to natives for Dune Restoration: Marram is taller, builds higher/steeper dunes that extend further inland. They are a mono-culture and hard to grow. Not as salt tolerant. Spinifex is a native, grows quicker and takes the dunes further forward.
Ø The steep profile of the Marram dune is more subject to erosion – erosion scarp is higher due to the dune being higher. Not as quick to repair.
Ø Browsing from rabbits/hares – use Pingao grass.
Ø The Hutt River provides lots of wood. How good is wood as a dune builder? It is good – helpful to start dune recovery. Spinifex grows the dune forward quickly. High tide beach needed to create a sustainable dune.
Ø In New Plymouth they have used brush fences to trap the sand. This has been quite successful. Use wood to help establish the dune.
Ø Retaining walls won’t last forever. Does the force of the sea get dissipated elsewhere? Yes. You will have a 20 – 40 year sea wall life depending on the location and type of wall used.
Ø Days Bay doesn’t have the option of moving the sea wall.
Ø Beach nourishment – enclosed beach so sand can’t escape. Sand will meander to other beaches. What happens when the sand runs out?
Ø Create an artificial headland.
Ø Small trial area in Days Bay of Pingao grass. Maybe extend if successful.
Ø Can you plant Spinifex/Pingao into shingle? They generally require sand. If you can feel sand blowing in a wind – then generally planting will work.
Ø Gravel – following the coastline from the river. Don’t know if it’s permanent or a natural cycle? If you have had periods when there has been less gravel and more sand, it is a natural cycle.
Ø Extract sand at Pencarrow/Fitzroy. Replace with gravel. Lost migration of fish to and from lakes.
Ø Concrete blocks in front of Mahina Bay – in the sea. Want them removed.
What are the issues/challenges facing your Beaches?
· Days Bay – today face of road edge is falling off onto the beach. No vegetation here. Getting worse and worse over the years.
· Scouring by streams – under footpath area.
· Too much grooming – not needed at all. Leave the timber, firewood, rubble, seaweed to incorporate into the beach. Save heaps of money!
· By leaving driftwood on beach (not grooming) there will be more driftwood blocking roads after storms.
· Not so (comment above) – it only comes on the road in a storm.
· Preventing the road from being further extended onto the beach.
· People fossicking (hoovering) for kaimoana. Stop them. (This had several ‘stop them’ added to it).
· South end – dogs have higher priority than people (signage). Dogs foul the beach.
· A shared resource and so we should not let people plunder it for self use.
· Litter could be controlled by beach care groups for each bay. Set them up!
· Litter – local kids dropping stuff; visitors with beer bottles and cans; debris brought down from Hutt River.
· Maybe they shouldn’t groom Days bay beach north of the wharf; also Point Howard beach. (several people added agreement to this)
· Rubbish – plastic bottles washed down the Hutt River.
· Publicise the effects of people taking gravel/rocks from the beach. (not more notices)
· Protecting services under the road – Days Bay north.
· Leave the wood/tree debris on the beach (after floods). Don’t take it away, don’t groom. They are fun to play on!
· Fires lit by young people who drink and then break their bottles into the fire. Others left to clean up! This needs to be nipped in the bud. All residents to be aware and report nocturnal goings on to Fire Brigade and Police.
· Weekends are horrible – Days Bay.
· Rubbish after summer nights – e.g. firework debris, disposed of disposable nappies.
· DO NOT groom beaches – but do encourage residents etc to remove plastic, cans, bottles etc.
· Try to integrate the beach with the cliff/hillside rather than thinking of them separately – a natural beach environment will be complemented by a natural hinterland.
· There has been no value given to a beach for marine species.
· Duck pond contamination – Days Bay.
· Please limit beach grooming. Keep large parts with natural logs and seaweed to feed the food chain.
· Wood supply from Hutt River – how important is it for beach stability and development?
· We need to understand the relationship with Hutt River management and the Harbour beaches. How much sand does it supply? Should sand extraction stop?
· In front of HW shelf – young people’s fires need to be stopped. Wrecking dunes, burning wood, breaking bottles – dangerous glass.
· Consider trial beach nourishment on beaches – possibly with Days Bay, Lowry Bay or Point Howard.
· Make sure food gatherers leave enough for the future. Don’t hoover up everything e.g. winkles, and baby shellfish.
· Pollution – more controls required to reduce pollution.
· Reduce use of beaches by dogs.
· Get GWRC to install litter traps on stormwater system into Hutt River to reduce plastic litter getting into the harbour and onto beaches.
· Areas of hard surfaces adjacent to coast e.g. roofs, asphalt, driveways, concrete gardens. REDUCE them in the area.
What do you value about your Beaches?
- Eastbourne – I value the driftwood as a shelter for skinks.
- Space for families and fids to play and connect with nature.
- Keep all the beaches as natural as possible. Make access to the beaches as easy as possible. Especially make sure walkers can access both ends of every beach.
- Just having it! A place of peace, change, renewal.
- Wildness – undeveloped space.
- The mix of rocky points, sand beaches and gravel beaches.
- Natural space – access to the sea.
- I love the flotsam – don’t remove it! Seaweed for the garden – wood for the fire – it’s natural.
- The view of the water.
- York and Mahina bay tide pools. Much less fish, shellfish and crustaceans than 20 – 4- years ago.
- Natural communities of plants and animals thrive. The beach is protected in its natural state as far as practicable.
- Walking – stress relief. Peace – sound of the waves, wild or calm. Closer to nature. Scent of the sea (I love the smell of seaweed).
- Natural/peaceful (away from traffic). Views, driftwood, wild flowers, paua shells.
- Native plants, birds and sea life.
- Natural beach plants are great. All our beaches whether obviously sandy or not have value.
- As natural as possible. We have enough development for those who want it.
- Days Bay – swimming, visiting grandchildren, watching the sea birds, the weekdays!!!
- Native shrubs at the beach edge and rocky parts. Hounds tongue fern way out along Seaview Marina piers.
- Breeding fish in the Marina.
What would you like to see achieved at your beach (Desired outcomes)?
Lowry Bay
- The protection of sea grass community.
- Controlled area for surf skis to limit their use.
Robinson Bay – Gravel area
- Constant change – rapid build-up of gravel.
- Gravel becoming covered by mainly exotic weeds – but also taupata and some ngaio and 1x Copromosma propinqua. I believe it is impossible with current resources to eliminate all exotics – so necessary to target a few species e.g. bone seed, wild radish, horned poppy, pampas grass etc. If enough locals could be mobilised, these weeds could be removed by hand.
- Don’t fight the natural gravel ‘slug’.
Robinson Bay – dune area
- Retain wood on Robinson Bay – it provides micro/nano climate for plants and variety to please the eye. A lot of wood is removed by hand, small and large. Some large logs show level of high tide not yet revisited by storms over many years. Interesting – many insects etc live in this wood.
- Dunes – plant flaxes etc instead of rock wall at southern car park to provide cover for little blue penguins.
- New planting is being admired by locals.
- Is it time to reduce the sea wall in Robinson Bay?
Days Bay
· Clean so it can be used for picnics etc. not a place for disposing of used disposable nappies!
· Do not groom the beaches – you know nothing of its value.
· Less grooming (several added agreement to this post-it).
· Dunes can never be re-established in Lowry or York Bays – the road is too far seaward. But in Days Bay, we could restore the dunes by moving the road east, into the park. We could sacrifice grass to create natural dunes.
· Extend Pingao trial to Days Bay.
· More litter control, removal. Residents can do it.
· I object to little fellow playing all day with little front end loader shifting logs around at great expense to ratepayer and destroying all the fascinating stuff to be found!
· Stop beach grooming.
· Pedestrian access to the northern end of Days bay beach is very good. It here was a good ramp or steps a good proportion of pedestrians would walk along the beach to the wharf. (several added agreement)
· No grooming north of the wharf – something for everyone.
· Discharges from storm water stopped or at least better managed.
· Erosion controlled – no more loss of dunes and high tide beach.
· Summer is busy at weekends. Park at Seaview and have a shuttle bus or shuttle ferry to Days Bay. Overcrowding on the roads.
· I endorse plan to continue Marine Drive repair and dune reclamation BUT bigger picture – let’s move road behind the park!!
· Build walls with less slope to clear sand erosion – 701-735 Marine Drive.
· A walkway from Days Bay to Rona Bay – great for residents and visitors.
· Integrate storm water discharge into over all dune restoration as storm water pipes appear to be a major contributing factor in sand loss.
· No more wall at Days Bay. Let’s try Spinifex and Pingao for 2-3 years yet.
· Re-route road not beach. (several others have also ticked this one)
Eastbourne/Rona Bay
- Police use of beach by 4WD.
- Do not groom beaches.
- After a storm the beach at Days bay is cleared of debris. If it was cleared at Rona Bay, we could use the beach more.
- Continue to restore dunes – replacing Marram like plants etc with Spinifex and Pingao, flaxes, toitoi etc against the fence. It may be necessary to use mechanical means. Meanwhile the only spray to be used should be Gallant.
Point Howard
- Remove concrete and other man-made materials from beaches and headlands to increase natural character.
- Another strongly agrees with the above, adding – can this be done around the start of the oil and fishing wharves?
- Misguided beach grooming is preventing beach accretion by removing sand, seaweed and wood (to the tip). Before grooming began there was a sloping dune anchored by wood debris (source: Hutt River floods), and by plants such as Goldanella, Cakile and several other species e.g. Cruciferae. Point Howard beach had significantly more sand 20 years ago. Gravel and small cobbles are beginning to dominate.
Mahina Bay
- I like our beach but I don’t like the big concrete blocks in the sea at the north end of Mahina Bay; they don’t even stop the waves!
Eastbourne timber fence at road edge: keep maintaining; replace when funding available; remove gradually?
- Keep maintaining it.
- Better to natural beach regeneration if possible.
- With the next ‘Big One’ (earthquake) the land will rise 2 – 4 feet relative to sea level (so may balance effect of global warming).
Marram grass: has its uses; or should we have long term plans to replace it?
- Replace x2.
- Yes, replace it with natives.
- More Spinifex planted, fed and protected until it gets established. Days Bay especially.
- Listen to the experts – use their advice.
- Marram needs to be replaced because it edges out natives and as has been said the steep dune face is more subject to erosion.
- Marram needs to be replaced with Spinifex and Pingao.
Burdan’s Gate, South Pencarrow Coast road – problems/suggestions?
- This coast is being destroyed through a lack of more knowledge.
- Stop sand removal from Fitzroy bay.
- Effect of proposed sewerage plant.
- Retain wild character (also ticked by another person). Restrict width of graded road – gets bigger all the time.
- Control goats on escarpment (also ticked by another person).
- Completely SPOILED by sewerage pipe and road. Was once beautiful and weed free! And just a walking track.
- Litter – 100+ cars parked at Burdans gate on summer Sundays. A few groups - EHEA, Global Volunteers etc and individuals - intermittently clear up litter. We need Friends of the Coast Organisation where people can collect and deposit full bags throughout the Bays and near where they live.
- Urgently need to repair fish migration process to the sea.
- Needs a landscape plan to improve the naturalness of the Pencarrow road. Neglected at present.
- How many penguins are left along this coast?
- Ugly edge of road. Blocks and rubble, weeds and scrub on landward side.
- More planting of native trees – after goats have been removed.
- I love this road/stretch of coast. Can only be improved by removing litter and planting of natives.
- Gravel slugs from 1885 earthquake. Later gravel from excess erosion of Orongorongo valley sides – deer and goat infestation. Re-vegetation of Orongorongo valley sides (after deer removal) should lessen gravel supply.